00:00
00:00
Cyberdevil
Bamboo Shoots!

Age 34, Male

Poet/Designer/Etc

ACCOMPLISHED

Sweden

Joined on 1/17/04

Level:
60
Exp Points:
60,996 / 100,000
Exp Rank:
83
Vote Power:
10.04 votes
Audio Scouts
10+
Art Scouts
10+
Rank:
Sup. Commander
Global Rank:
7
Blams:
31,960
Saves:
215,089
B/P Bonus:
60%
Whistle:
Deity
Trophies:
39
Medals:
11,183
Supporter:
11y 3m 8d
Gear:
11

You know Jesus's dad loves to murder you better think something up!

We don't know any of that, and there is no real answer for that since our senses deceive us.

I don't think that the american dream produces psychos, they were already there, it was part of them for a long time, is just that violence was more acceptable, if we take a cowboy or a colonist and bring him to our current times, we would only see a gun crazy barbarian, and a drunkard, but well those kind of "people" are the ones you need when you invade a land under colonialism.
And the same goes for Japan you know not only did they lose the war, got american bases, but also suffered 2 nuclear bombs, that breaks a country and its people, while they sunk in poverty you get all these foreigners spending money, of course the survivors are mad with their country for entering such a "pointless" war, in denial they now seek an alternative, and that alternative is the american model, while an anti-american sentiment exist no one is feeling patriotic, and the only way to revitalize business is by making it with the Americans, thus they need to actually communicate with them learn of them, adapt and follow, the language starts to morph and change and foreign business start to spread, the economy stabilizes again but the damage is done already.

Come one man this text is real, it is in the form of bits! You know part of the advantage of science is that its theories have direct practical applications, so not everything is virtually cryptic, i know that some say that we need to re-enchant the world, but come on man! while there are mysterious things not everything needs to be like that XD.

Not if is only gaming, and if you somehow do, prepare to get burned once you come back XD.

Oh lithium was quite good too!

But if I plot something he'll probably know what I'm plotting, and then the plot'll think and I'll be lost and doomed and forgotten. O_O

Indeed; since we don't know if our senses are our senses or if we are deceived or not.

Hmm, true, so they were the ones initially chasing that dream that defined America before it became the American dream. That evolution in Japan's cultural/economical climate makes sense too.

Yeah but bits don't actually exist. Bits aren't material. The circuits that store them are, but there is no way of indirectly accessing this form of storage. Unless the text is printed, it's like a ghost, it's like we gain access to a parallel dimension through this technological fiber that encloses us.

Hehe yeah, not everything!

You mean online gaming? Yeah, true... apart from flash games I never have been much for online multiplayer. :D

Oh yeah, that's another classic! In school we learned to play this one: http://youtu.be/vabnZ9-ex7o

Not the one I'd chosen as a teacher, but I guess it's one of their safer ones. :D Opened my eyes for the band, at least! I've had Nevermind on my album shelf forever, think I have a pirate copy of In Utero too, somewhere...

Seems like you are doomed.

Are we even perceiving what we think we perceive!?

Yeah it makes even more sense if now you think that the majority of able male Japanese patriots died in the war, so the ones that remain aren't all that pleased with the country.

If you physically mess with the circuits you can affect the data, so with enough care it is possible!

I see what you did there, clever, clever indeed!

Haha i wasted a lot of time on WoW so there is that... a dark spot of my past... XD.

Damn what a cool school!

As everything becomes digital the physical copies became rarer and rarer, i don't remember the last time i played something straight from the CDs haha.

Everything is DooM ED!

I don't even know what I think I perceive that I think! What do you think?

But you*d think that the people who are left are sons and daughters of the people who died. Seeing as everyone who passed had a family you'd think there was a bigger thirst for vengeance. I can see how it'd work the other way though..

Oh, you can? In other ways than just corrupting it? :/

Wow man, you played that game?! I might've started too, a friend gave me a trial version on thirty days, but for some reason I never did use it... glad I didn't, I'd have been stuck there forever. :D

Well hmm huh... maybe it was!

I actually played a CD a couple of days ago. :) Yeah it gets rarer and rarer, usually I have everything I need on the PC but that's in a separate room; I have a stereo leftover from ancient times in mine, usually play some leet banging beats while exercising or just taking a break. Though CDs could be considered digital media too! I grew up with tapes, but it'd have been awesome to live in the age of vinyl, LP covers are like artworks.

Oh that reference!

That it is metaphysics beyond our comprehension! (but it would be nice if it is real)

Yeah but Japan was quite assholes in the war too, and they were defeated kinda badly, it was easier to blame the government who snatched their family to war, made them pass hardship sustaining the troops, with taxes, hunger and censorship, even before going against the US, Japan was not even defending they were out there to expand, to do that and lose must fell like shit, even more if they think that it was not necessary. However i do agree it is weird that they didn't hated the US with more fervor, probably a sentiment of shame for the things they themselves did made them hold back, and yet it is still weird.

Well corrupting is still affecting... XD.

I was hooked on the story thanks to Warcraft 3 (where i also met Dota), but after a while blizzard shitted on the lore and i was able to quit.

"Exercise" what is that!? lololol.
Well Vinyl is taking a wind up lately apparently or so some say, by some statistics that i am not so sure how legit may be http://motherboard.vice.com/blog/vinyl-wont-really-make-a-comeback-until-we-have-more-record-presses
Yeah maybe a more accurate word is virtual instead of digital.

The ref are ense! (ense = agreeing with each other)

It must also be metaphysics beyond our compensation! Word.

Hmm, guess so. It was in fact the first time they'd ever lost a war. Speaking of which, did you know the world Kamikaze means 'heavenly wind' and was derived from the time Gengis Khan was getting ready to attack Japan, and had countless ships of his crushed by a sudden tsunami? During the WW2 it feels like Japan were particularly naive, they didn't really contact with the outside world, they'd never lost... they didn't know what they were getting into. They suffered pretty huge losses when those nukes went off, probably many times over what losses they might've caused... guess it might be kinda like the Stockholm Syndrome?

lol true, but you have no control over how you're affecting it! Btw, everything's corrupt: http://youtu.be/73-5iNwb7qo

So you overcame your addiction! Stay strong. It's strange I never got into the series considering I have Starcraft 1 & 2 and Warfract 2 and 3, and some broadwar expansion pack, and that WoW trial I mentioned... and I've never played any of them.

lololol, exercise is: opening a door, getting up in the morning, lying down...

I believe it. :) Not that it's like it was in old times, but it definately seems more popular now than it's been during my lifetime (as far as I remember). They even have racks of LPs in a few common department stores here, it's still more of a collectors thing than a format for practical use, but it's nice that the alternative's there! If I was a tad bit richer I'd buy a few new ones, only have a shitton of second-hand LPs stashed away... classics like Van Halen, Meat Loaf, Europe, Milli Vanilli...

So will the game be stopped!?

But that is almost as if... you were insinuating that... there are some metaphysics that we can understand O_o!!!

Well it is a compound made out of Kami (god, divinity) and Kaze (wind, air) so yeah XD, also i thought it was a typhoon and not a tsunami, wow looks like things were even more hardcore. I don't really know if they got Stockholm syndrome (it kinda looks like it), but i know that part of their naivety was backed by their own patriotism (and sure enough all those if not most of those patriots ended dead or abandoned), and by the Nazis (which were their allies).

Lol who knows, maybe there is a way to corrupt data in a controlled manner. Oh is the n***a we all love!

....

to hate!: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T84aFozWKA8

Haha well the things that captivated me were the story behind the dark ones/ancient ones, which is straight out of Lovecraft, and the story of The Horde, FOR THE HORDE!!!

Lying down... take a deep breath, then start doing push ups like a madman? XD.

"during my lifetime" dude! that is huge i can't believe i was talking all this time with a ghost! all this time! no wonder you insist so much in the existence of a soul! hahaha.
Man i have 0 LPs of my own T_T, and my mom had one of Iron Maiden, and then she throw it out! aaah the despair!

GameStop? Stock prices are -0.08 (-0.22%) down, maybe.

Hmm? I thought I was saying that if we don't comprehend these metaphysics that we try to comprehend, then compensation for this effort in uncomprehending comprehending just isn't enough!

Oh man, that whirlwind/cyclone/tsunami thing again... and typhoon's not even related. Gotta get my facts straight! So you did know though, I thought not many people did know that, learnt it myself on a 'Japanese History before 1868' course... yeah, and what's a bit twisted is they weren't even white, they're Asian, how did the Germans get them to buy into those Arian ideals anyway? I can understand Russia, and Italy might've felt the peer pressure... but Japan, that's far out.

If there is, I retract all previous statements on the matter. :) Yeah, dat hardcore NGer! Natural born killer: http://youtu.be/c9-M2tqIX38

Aha, so that's what it's based on!

Haha, as long as they're upside-down push-ups, carrying the weight of your entire... arms. :P

I used to ghost a bit, no more. :P Oh maaaan, Iron Maiden! If it was in good shape it could've brought in some $$$, old Metallica LPs are worth around $100 a piece. I have a few but they're not really mint condition. The oldest one was even missing a piece of the plate, found out after I'd bought it. :/

The stock rice is going down? a sad day for investors.

Well yeah i do support the notion of not trying to comprehend the incomprehensible.

If i remember well he tried to invade Japan twice, and he failed twice XD. Well i know how you will mix whirlwind/cyclone/hurricane/tornado/ and maybe typhoon, but Tsunami is a whole different thing haha. Well you know Japanese had that whole Samurai caste system and were full of themselves even after the restoration, so it was easy for them to feel better than all the other Asians, even today some Japanese look down on Koreans, have you even went to an Asian submit? the Japanese representative can't be next to the Korean one, and the Chinese is usually in the middle the whole thing is both sad and hilarious.

Too lazy to search for it, but there must be, after all to completely delete data is hard as it gets!
(I cant believe NG still censors the word nig ga XD) It takes a nation to stop him: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LEz7fwL7fFE

It seems you are ready for the Olympics.

You resurrected! are you... a zombie!!!!?
I don't know in which state it was, but it still hurts, it was not mine, my uncle gave it to my mom some time ago and i don't know what she was thinking when she got rid of it.

I guess we better stock up on rice ASAP!

But if we never try to comprehend what we don't comprehend, then we'll never learn anything. :/

Yupp, two times, two typhoons! lmao, I mixed them up again!! It all sounds so alike dammit!

Never been to an Asian summit no. I know they have some problems with each other, but I didn't know the Japanese were the ones looking down on the others, I thought it was a distrust they all shared... that course might've been a bit angled. :P

All you need is a really strong magnet or a crusher! The thing with corrupting data though is that you can't locate a certain piece of information on a certain part of the disc, at least as I've understood it all these bits are spread out across the surface and linked together through the index, which is also not stored in a certain physical location, and how do you 'find' the information in the first place, through the physical surface? When it's fully digital, is there actually a way to 'see' the info without accessing it through the interface it's been designed for? If you do find something, how would you corrupt that without affecting all the surrounding data? It seems like incredible precision work, it'd be like picking up an atom of gray matter in front of us that we don't even know is there. Or maybe I'm completely misunderstanding how HDs work...

Believe it or not! http://youtu.be/6LvLgdZ9uAk

Nah, I need something a bit more challenging than that.

Not that I know of. Got brains?
Huh, was it more of a memento? Yeah strange indeed, * ways are mysterious...

No no when the price of the rice goes down, you need to get them wealthy wheat!

But we cant comprehend it because is beyond our field of comprehensible comprehension!

Oh yeah don't get me wrong i like Japan more than Korean, and i get this nice feeling with ancient Chine, the people and the place are great, but with all sincerity the Japanese are full of themselves XD.

Man i wonder why countries burn and dump all their data in African electronic dumpsters instead of magnetizing it? anyway as i understand it each bit is a charged electron that is either - or + so it should still count as physical, however i guess we should still need an interface to see the data.

It seems they lack that hood mentality: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1pIPDheGhVk

The universal Olympics!?

Yeah, but i am not sharing.
Na not really a memento, he just gave it to her, because yes, then she got rid of it, for the same reasons XD, but the one who suffers is me!

But I'm down with the price you know, I have high hopes for new lows!

That sounds comprehensive.

Hmm... Nintendo does give that impression! I'll take your word for it... and from now on look at anything Japanese with a skeptic gaze. :) Their humble attitude is quite the deception huh. Gotta go there some time; see how it really is!

They do that?! Probably because they don't really know what they're doing. Aha.

Yeah, that crack baby: http://youtu.be/ubx6HQtM0FI

An interplanetary sports event?Sign me up!

Haha, ah, I don't... I don't know what to say. It's a tragedy. I am sorry for your loss man!

How low can you sink?

I am glad you comprehend.

Yeah somethings you just have to see them with your own eyes, even if our senses deceive us XD.

Lol.

Is playing with a Jack in the box: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nw3qkR-lhFI

You are signed, but we don't have the technology to send you there.

Haha i appreciate the sentiment.

My sink is pretty low.

I am glad you are glad!

lol, even if what we see is all just a figment of our imaginations and we are actually having this conversation with ourself... I'd like to see Japan! :D

Wonder what'll play tomorrow? http://youtu.be/oqhvw_cN1zA

I guess it'd be a hard drive. :/

:)

Is that so? is one of those kindergarten type sinks?

We are glad about all this gladness.

You will see it, someday, however i can't assure you if that Japan will be real or not.

He will probably play a roll call: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ktdFm7xNJow

A hard drive? just getting you to the moon is troublesome already XD.

No I'm just kinda high.

We are so glad we get tearglads.

For real. And if it's not really real, you should go ahead and see it right away!

You know how they do it! http://youtu.be/rzRqEWJYwX4

Well I just sat a light, didn't get anywhere.

Yo man i conveniently stumbled upon this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MxnmMrWOj3c to tell you the truth while i already knew that Japanese where full of themselves it seems that it gets quite crazy sometimes.

Seems like the discrimination part is a worldwide problem, not just Japan, though it's crazy how few Japanese actually realize what outlook they have... brainwashing, subjugation? The thing about using Okinawan people as shields was pretty sick, but I didn't find that thing about how people from certain districts look down on people from other districts as strange as it seems the teacher did. It's a worldwide phenomena, there's always that 'we're better than *selected category*' wherever you live, with some more than others, and does that make us worse people? I suppose if that leads to using a certain group of for labor or shields, then yeah, it's horrible, but it shouldn't need to come to that. It's like how Swedes joke about how stupid Norwegian people are, and Norwegians have the same jokes about us. There's plenty of stuff like 'The Book of Norwegian Inventions' with fictional contraptions like an inflatable dart board, etc... no bitterness between the countries though. And smaller villages always distance themselves from their neighbors, strange how we've stopped taking territories for granted, going for a global world when everyone really needs their own safe zone. Family/friends/house/property/neighborhood/town/city/country/continent... the larger it gets, the more impersonal, and people give everyone and anything a stereotype when they don't know them/it, tis nature. But yeah, crazy about those Okinawans, on my way to the second video...

Man and the second part http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ima17mX8_fU
It gets real!

For real.

Saburo Ienaga seems like an inspiring person! For real. Shit gets real for the author, for real, he takes up some valid points but - I was expecting something more about Japan! For real.

So i bet you have to crawl to use it that sink.

To denote emotion, and try to attain some sympathy.

Leave right away, i will have to get my passport and that kinda takes time.

But that's only until they rich http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=phITXWICxlM

And the light didn't burn you!?

Yeah racism is a widespread thing, but the point is that when they trash talk others is not in the context of a joke, they do believe it, you could say that some have some really valid grudges sprouting from world war, but the thing goes beyond that, Japan tried plenty of times to invade Korea failing time and time again, then got nuked twice and it didn't made them more humble XD, China has always see itself as the father of all these countries surrounding it, and Korea sees itself as the righteous and advanced one, you could say that they are all just prideful, but one thing is to be prideful and another is to be condescending, and they enforce this in their education until the late 80's japan still denied their own war crimes, which then leads to people like Isayama Hajime (Shingeki no Kyojin, most hyped not that good 2013 anime, for real) to go out and start talking shit about Korea, is his fault? yes he could get some research before starting acting racist, but is also his country's fault for educating him that way. And it gets even more worse when you see that is not just Japan being an asshole, but all of them XD.

Yeah I sink down a bit. :P

Indeed.

But if you believe you have your passport already then... no problem! :D

True to the game http://youtu.be/r_zSt-qQfn4

Nah it was pretty light.

Well they didn't get nuked by Korea. Would've been odd if that'd made them humble to Koreans, I think. It's true they should change their views, but it's not just the Japanese. I mean just look at America, is there a more condescending country out there? Or is it just pride? I'm not sure where the line's drawn. It'd be interesting to know if there are actually any countries with a clean history, or better yet, history books that aren't angle to in some way reflect the views of the leaders of the country.

That is a new low level of cleaning.

"Sir i believe i have a passport!"
"Is that so? where is it i cant see it!"
"Is there i know is there, right next to my soul..."
XD

So they wouldn't be laughing now,and crying later http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vm8XNIHTPHw

I guess you are now a tanned man.

Patriotism, is an imaginary nasty thing that requires a person to believe its own country to be better than others, indeed America may be the worst specially since is even known as the police of the world (the nerve of such tittle), which is actually critic, but some people actually like it what nonsense.

A country with a clean history? hard to think of a place who has been invaded, survived the invasion and keep its original inhabitants living in proper conditions, or that didn't went and started fucking shit up somewhere else. Indeed such a thing may be impossible, for it requires the place to be isolated, and if we remember feudalism was sustained by war, Noblemen and Royalty didn't made their own riches it was by taxation, war and pillage that their riches grew and their kingdom expanded, that model was everywhere, specially north when food was scarce and agriculture was not really sustainable, Asia was in constant war, Africa (even without Europe fucking the place up) had a constant history of tribes fighting each other, and the same goes for the American continent, and even if that was not the case natives worldwide have been robed of their lands, with no real mean of getting compensation, that is also true for the Oceania continent.

I'm very down to earth.

Haha, you could just tell him: "If you believe that I have it, then you can see it too!"

Cause they're color blind? http://youtu.be/TneRKPmLfck

A pretty light tan yeah. :P

Indeed, but at the same time it's a bit like ego. If you don't believe in yourself you won't get anywhere, if nobody believes in the country than ditto, the challenge is being patriotic without being condescending. Personally I don't like my government at all, I feel ties to certain locations but not to the country as a whole, I'd like to be patriotic though... I believe if everyone was then we could build up a society everybody fits into, where everybody can serve a purpose and unite for a common cause, but if that cause turns anti-other countries then it'd go downhill quickly.

Sp true. There are so many stories about nations welcoming their 'guests' with open arms just to have that hopsitality abused and everything turned to shit... and it keeps happening, though not in the same scale as earlier. Globalism's helped a bit but in return it's making relations so much more complex.

Underground even.

Haha, we need more cultist in all immigration bureau.

An they have no Vaseline http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bvRc7pwnt0U

Almost unnoticeable.

Patriotism could work if is worked in a way when you recognize that your country has problems and they need to be fixed, otherwise it becomes nationalism, as things stand today, most countries are in the second category, however if you call someone that they will take offence even if is the truth, like calling fat people fat...

Yeah the thing with globalization is that even if is there it is not being embraced other than as an excuse for countries to expand and infiltrate using different means, for example a free-trade agreement between a developed country and one in-development, can screw the second one for this one is unable to compete, and yet both parties push for it, we could say that none of them really care if the second country is destroyed as long as the upper-class profits from the agreement, as for immigration i guess that thanks to mobility and technology it has become easier to do, and thanks to social organization it has become easier to see and take notice of, you can know hoe many immigrants arrive to a country each year, however it is sad to see that the social and political tools to manage immigration have not advanced in great deal, there are laws to suppress, evict and regulate emigration, but not to properly take care of the immigrant once it enters, and i am not saying that this is OK, however it makes sense, because most countries are unable to take proper care of the people that they already had, let alone new people from somewhere else.

With this in mind is the solution to close the country and to harden immigration laws? that doesn't really helps much is like using a band aid on a broken pipeline, a real answer would be to start working on social measures to see how viable is to increase the life conditions of the country and livelihood, but socialism has a bad name... for example free health care, that is not really free because everyone pays for it, but since the cost is redistributed then is sustainable, is already done for military affairs, and yet people hate the idea...

So down under ground I'm over ground on the otherside. I went under but I got over it!

That'd be a dream. :)

That's why they thugs dirty http://youtu.be/l0rymOrMxQo

Notice that you can't see it.

True, just like with persona you need to recognize your own weaknesses to improve, but some don't see past their ego. Patriotism is in essence really just devotion and attachment.

I'm thinking we have a different kind of problem over here, we take too good care of immigrants, they get bigger allowances than old people get in pension, they get free dental care, healthcare, free phonecalls international, a sum to buy furniture, free housing, optional lessons in language (they're not even required to learn Swedish if they don't want to). We are way too lenient, and in the long run it's going to create a large cultural divide, though we welcome everyone with open arms a fraction of people start seeing them as enemies because the wealth of the state is spent on them, and there's no integration. So suppression and eviction's no problem here, but regulation definitely is, proper care isn't always just the 'best care'. As you say we can't take care of the people we already have, we take care of the rest of the world instead. It's crazy. First world problem maybe, but I don't think it's sustainable progress, in the long run there won't be resources for anyone.

I think the solution would be to keep people from moving out of their countries in the first place, the problem needs to be met at its source. If large quantities of people want to move, there's a problem; that problem should be solved, not just people shipped from one place to another in search for something better. The world's not that big anymore.

Free healthcare would be nice btw, we have a high-cost limit so if you pay a certain amount in a certain time-period any remaining care is free, but it's not applicable for all types of health-care. It's a start though. I like the safety-net system but I feel it's wasted, the government just throws away money on trying to fix things that aren't broken and ignoring the things that are... better not go into details though, there's too much!

And now you rise to the top of all the sinks, indeed that is more of a geyser.

But what if they try to make human sacrifices! O_o

That's why you better Check Yo Self http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bueFTrwHFEs

Practically nonexistent.

Oh man that is crazy! well is nice in a way, but you have to take care of your own house first then you attend your guest, and if they are citizens that came from the outside then the citizens that were already there should have the same privileges, as for cultural integration that is a touchy field, that i am not really all that prepared to board not even in a casual sense, for you see some argue that as long as they fulfill their social, politic, and economic duties, that the cultural aspect could pass to a 2nd plane, however this cultural aspect is primordial to develop a working coexistence, so if i say it yes cultural integration is a must, inside the range of respecting the own heredity of the immigrant, because the main-appeal of having someone with a different view is to utilize it in favor of the nation, that is why multiculturalism is so appealing.

(Mmmh the world is still big, my man, the problem maybe that Sweden is the one that is small XD)
But i agree (in part) if people leave their countries is because there are problems there that should be solved first instead of running away somewhere else, and while there is a lot of truth to this statement of fixing the source of the problem, there is also a lot of blinded privilege behind it, because for starters we assume that the source of the problem lies inside the country of origin, while for most these things are a product of history and international relations, i don't know what is the impact of Sweden in other countries, but i am sure it is not close to that of other countries however to say that it has none is naive, why? simple the economy is a global thing, so even if the presence of that government is not active in other countries, companies and capitalist from that country can be, and most of the time these are just as bad, then there is the relations that Sweden has and those that its allies have, for example Sweden trades with Russia, Russia invades Ukraine , then an Ukrainian ends in Sweden. This is just a factor, there are many, many more.

And there is also the wrong notion of locking someone inside a country that is clearly incompetent, for example NK

A dude is like a guy sir. :P Comedy just rose to a new low!

Then it'd be a nightmare. O_o

You better keep it gangsta http://youtu.be/jhe7ZHcbVxM

It's almost like anti-matter.

You speak the truth! Well Sweden trades with Russia, but Sweden's intent on strengthening their ties with NATO, so the Russian's haven't been too happy with Sweden. Naive leaders think that an alliance with the US would keep any potential enemies at bay, though it may very well be the other way around; I wish we'd keep our neutrality: stand our own ground. I don't know that much about Swedish relations with other countries, but it used to be a waring state, we pretty much owned the larger part of Scandinavia for a while... Norwegians are our good friends now but the Finnish aren't all positive towards us. Relations are complex; even more so in the global world...

I don't see that multi-cultural appeal though, it may hold true within groups such as companies, for creative thinking, but what benefit would it be to a country who's main strength lies in natural resources? I believe a lot of countries could have self-sustainable societies and not need to rely solely on competence to survive, all of that is tied to the IT age, which is a really fragile stepping stone that could lead to furthering civilization or to ultimately destroying it... NK is a pretty extreme example, they cut their ties to the world; don't seem to care about their citizens... not an inspiring example of how capitalism could be fought. In that case Brazil is a role model. I don't know if it's old news now, but they banned adverts on buildings, and it's amazing how clean everything is without them! You don't really pay it any mind until it's gone, it's like being a supporter here at NG, I barely noticed the ads till I became a supporter, now if I log out they're in the way all the time, but getting off topic again...

As for that 'staying and fighting' thing, I just believe that if people were patriotic in a positive way, they wouldn't move. It's a sign that society as a whole isn't very harmonious when people want to escape the only places they have a link to, I've traveled a bit so maybe I feel a stronger bond to my place of birth than most people do, but ... yeah, I don't have much faih in multiculturalism. Is there any place it's actually worked? Oh and btw, it is a touchy matter indeed... I wouldn't speak about stuff like this with my neighbors, but communicating across countries... it's like all topics are open for debate. That's one benefit granted.

Is so bad that is good!

Maybe if we convince them to use cats...

And do that Supreme Hustle http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aI1lZyyT3TU

And does it matter?

Yeah it gets even more complex in open market mechanics when countries that try to close themselves to others are seen as tyrannical or unfair, even when opening themselves is not favorable for the country itself.

Brazil? that place plagued with racism http://blackwomenofbrazil.co/2014/02/04/how-brazil-treats-its-black-people-naked-black-male-found-pinned-to-a-post-by-his-neck-in-rio/
, where 50% of their people (which is all black people) are reduced to live in the biggest ghettos of Latin America, when land appropriation is common and social movements have to take arms (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Landless_Workers%27_Movement) which had a big recent dick move when a bunch of people got their land adjudicated in pro of corporations and now are practically homeless living in bad housing projects thanks to the pseudo-solution the government made, civil armed protest for unfair taxation and a crumbling economy, while is all being lumped down under the pretext of damn soccer cup, and a lot of other problems that sprouted from a government that proclaimed itself as one working for its people and its workers apparent leftist but turned out to be Neo Liberal? that Brazil?

Wait, i got lost reminding myself why i hate Brazil's government, what was Brazil a role model of? fighting capitalism? hell no! maybe Uruguay with José Mujica, but not even like that, as for enclosing themselves all of those countries are pretty much open and Brazil is part of BRIC, is actually one of the best examples of capitalism in the south!!!!!

That is good? http://youtu.be/wImiwU6lsUI

We cat have that...

Thank God! http://youtu.be/mEy_lij1VFc

It's almost like it anti-matters.

True. Norway's been forced to pay extra taxes to the EU just to trade with EU countries, but they're still holding onto their riches, you could say it's thanks to an abundance of natural resources but I'd like to think it's also thanks to their being independent. Independence shouldn't be looked down upon like it is, in the US there's even a day for it... strange how things are so different when outside their scene.

That's... a side I hadn't seen. O_o Ah well, better start looking for a new role-model in the capitalism fight... I thought the advertless move was pretty neat though.

Don't get me wrong Brazil is an economic superpower, his economy is crumbling because it also has widespread poverty, that is called "wealth concentration".

To be patriotic first you need to have something that unites you to that zone, but land owners are only the rich farmers, the close to move to the city farmers, and big corporations, then if we add to that a government that neglects you and a land that is not really yours because industrialization made land owning unprofitable, then we have that patriotism can only sustain itself by culture, however (and i am glad we already talked about this XD) it is the era of globalization, it means that other cultures invade your own both directly and indirectly, Americanization, Eurocentrism, etc.

So that immigrant first needs a link, that probably no longer has, and its family is probably in the same conditions, the problem here is that the patriotic doesn't notice any problem, and wouldn't leave to begin with he is in his home, is an extreme rare case of the one that sees the problem and stays, and is even more rare for the one that does it just to help its country and not its own individual interest.

So lets make a mental exercise here, lets ask someone to go back to its country and be patriotic.
Then that person will ask you: why?
Your role Mr Cyberdevil will be to tell that person that why, the reason why it should go back and be patriotic, of course other than "you are being a hindrance here" XD.

Yeah, I knew about them ghettos. Seems to be the same with India and a bunch of other African/Asian countries... but I don't really know the facts.

But owning property is profitable. The problem here is that people buy up large chunks of forest, just chop everything down and sell it again, they don't give a shit about a sustainable environment... and it's not profitable in the long-run either. The better way would be to just thin out a forest and let new trees grow up naturally, rather than mowing everything down, then running the land flat and planting new trees. It's crazy.

True. It seems like second-generation immigrants have the potential to become positively patriotic, the first-generation still have their ties to their homeland and can, optionally, to some extent pass on those ties. As to why you should be patriotic... because it makes you feel good? Because it gives you a purpose? Because if everyone was, then the populace of a country could unite and overthrow any unjust regime; build themselves (if they don't already have) a society that is generous and kind to everyone? yeah that wouldn't really work. :)

Multiculturalism, has worked since, always, however you may know it more as cultural appropriation, a really good example is white people using Hip-Hop to do political critic.
Westerners using numbers that come from the middle east, and the world eating rice, lets not forget about corn and its many preparations.
Multiculturalism in an even more recent time, if Haiti hasn't succeed in its independence from France, the US would be half french now XD.

But you asked me for working multiculturalism, in our modern times, not for cultural appropriation or for diversity side effects, and i do admit, and it pains me to say it but the answer is no.

The world is a racist ball filled with hate and mistrust, people feel their culture as perfect and in the lack of need for others, even if is pretty clear that one can enrich another, of course when this happens it is said that "we took it, and made it better" lol.

Multiculturalism is like socialism, it never happened, and when it happened, it didn't neither.
Multiculturalism also exist in relative small scales, that is even true when we talk about mass-migration, even then we still have minorities that settle as small communities, and which knowledge and culture ends there within the limits of that community, but most importantly multiculturalism has to be worked from education, that is to teach other visions of the world, another history, to have at least a second point of view "!! but Doomroar you crazy fool that goes against patriotism! why would we learn the history and culture of Hawaiians when we are Turkish! we don't need that and i can't see it helping at all! our culture is perfect!!!1111eleven!", well that is a hasty conclusion, and it looks more like a preconception, because since you don't know about them you cant really say if it helps or not, "help? help what? help who? we don't need help! we're perfect! this society is advanced and modern! a role model!" yes, of course... but they are a part of it now, may as well at least know what things they bring with themselves, maybe you will know the concept of communal owned land "Doomroar you filthy communist what about private owned commodities!" you can still have those, but now thanks to this cultural encounter you can also have this other working model which is also ok.

Of course the comments are purely for comic relief, and not for ridicule.

Alright, multiculturalism definitely has some benefits, but imagine if all parts of our cultures were spread around the world; applicable everywhere, with nothing to set one country aside from the next; no distinct traditions or habits... that'd be a pretty bland and boring world. What's the use of traveling if every place looks the same? Some parts of culture can't be spread though, like the spicy cuisine of India. I think that's in their genes. 'Mild' to them is like acid to the regular Scandinavian.

Well I don't think everybody feels their culture is perfect, but people are different, people look different, it shouldn't be strange if Asians and Europeans have different eating habits. Our bodies just aren't the same, not saying there's better or worse, but there's different; culture is tied as much to function and necessity as to entertainment/etc.

lol man you crazy. :D If we could learn about everything and everyone, that'd be great, but there are so many aspects of culture within a single country to pass on that passing on insight into cultures all over the world would just be impossible, we can't do it, and why do it? What we do with all that knowledge? Would we want to integrate a thousand different cultures into our own lifestyles? Some form of worldly enlightenment to combat racism and condescending thoughts would be great, but as far as culture goes I'm all for the one, the community aspect. simple. Minimalistic. Home. You know what I'm saying?

When they start building Mosques in Stockholm and broadcasting Islam prayers five times a day, I just don't see this multiculural thing working. It's a clash man.

lolk.

So good so bad we better sing for the moment http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D4hAVemuQXY

We cant? then... roaches? but even those have a role in nature...

For tomorrow http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oqhvw_cN1zA

What? this is the first time i heard someone said that independence is being looked down XD, what is going on over there man? for real... you are bursting my bubble here.

Yeah not everything can be bad at least advertless streets is something worth praising.
Indeed, but could you say then... that natural resources like forest and parks should be managed by private entities in this case?

Oh well it probably feels good that is a good answer, you should explain in which sense and under what type of patriotism that feeling comes, the second one is more hard to accept becuase is reducing the purpose in life of a person to work and live for its country, and that generates division in the long run, the 3rd one is an irony because generating a country that is kind to everyone while telling them to leave your own country is well... kinda funny really XD.

Sing cause were' not afraid! http://youtu.be/j5-yKhDd64s

Them roaches: http://youtu.be/4pRHUu-MYIc

Believe it or not: http://youtu.be/4pRHUu-MYIc?t=28s

I think some countries overlook the benefits of independence. ;) And some countries have fed their ego to the point they're getting fat....

Oh man onto the topic of private entities... if you mean personal individuals, then I'm all for it, but as for corporations owning natural resources rather than the state, they have/probably will exploit so much... I don't know if that's the right way to go either. As an individual I'd love to buy up huuuge amounts of natural resources and make sure they're taken care for, but that's probably never going to happen, even with large amounts of riches it'll never be possible in the scale that'd be necessary to really preserve the wilderness. If the state cares about the right things then I wouldn't mind if they owned it, but they don't; nor corporations; nor most people who have the ability to really make an impact...

Living for a 'greater cause' is what seems to give most people a purpose. For some that greater purpose is a country, for many a religion, for others its a person or group, for some it's a goal; something symbolic. It's a difficult concept... maybe you could say patriotism is kinda like communism in how I think it could work great but people will never let it. As soon as someone even considers abusing the system then the whole idea of something good falters. IDK, there's good and bad with everything..

Since people are different culture would manage to conserve itself of course it would be greatly changed and disseminated but it would still be traceable, not really that bland of a world...

A-a-are you really doing this to me? Indian spicy cosine being tied genetically? that is so racist... but i know you are cool dude so this is just joke (unless you are a fascist Nazi in a great disguise...), food taste is learned, digestion is hereditary like lactose intolerance, and can be also programmed like a horrible diet as a child which then lead to develop an allergy, for example if i had continued to keep eating shrimp with orange juice i would have become unable to eat shrimp due to poisoning over a extended time period.

Yes people are different, people look different, and is not strange that Asians and Europeans have different eating habits, but is not because their bodies are different, is because their land is different who they cant grow the same food, develop the same customs, and create the same culture, that is a principle of anthropology, a really basic one, and is also what help cartography to be so good explaining social phenomenons, for example Black from the Caribbean and Blacks from the pacific are actually from the same Afrian territory, ended in different parts of the american continent, created different cultures, with different foods, but that doesn't mean that their bodies are different now, their customs are, please don't mix race with species.

It'd be like mixing fresh water and salt water. :P

Well when I said 'in their genes' I meant I believe it's hereditary (and that's just a theory btw - seeking a logical explanation as to why some people can eat some things that other people just can't eat without feeling at least extremely uncomfortable). In the beginning I'm sure it was due to their land being different, different flora and fauna, different circumstances, overtime different foods and cultures and all that, and somewhere along the way we all adapt to our ecosystem, we evolve in a way that'll let us better survive where we live, so it becomes a part of us rather than our circumstance. Everyone can change of course, but evolution is a slow process. From Wikipedia: Genes and environment influence human biological variation from visible characteristics to physiology to disease susceptibly to mental abilities. The exact influence of genes and environment on certain traits is not well understood.

Variations are a part of our species; being unique is a good thing! Racism is the act of 'ranking different races as inherently superior or inferior to each other', I'm not doing that at all, I'm merely putting focus on differences between them; saying I don't believe that mixing together a surplus of cultures is the best way to let us a human race co-exist peacefully.

I am not crazy man, that is the job of social scientist, to study and learn about humans, that includes in part and among a lot of their many fields, culture and its many many faces, for that we have sociology, anthropology, psychology, even philosophy, of course not everyone is a social scientist or a philosopher, so what these people must do is to take the best and spread it in a understandable way to the public.
Is funny because social sciences are seem mostly as tools to legitimize models to exercise control over population, but that is not the only role of this field of knowledge... and when these social sciences are not working under this camp they are portrayed as useless, indeed that is unfair.

A simple. Minimalistic. Home styled life, is nice and all, but the world is moving fast and is not stopping, i don't want to say that what you want is no longer possible, because it can be done under extraordinary circumstances, but that will only make you socially isolated from everyone else, of course it is possible that you can become happy in your small community, however, physically you are still connected, if someone mess up in the amazon you will suffer just as much as the rest of the world...

You know i confess i manipulated my examples, because lets be real, why would a Hawaiian end living in Turkey as an immigrant? XD. But i hope you get my point.

Mosques in Stockholm and broadcasting Islam prayers five times a day? indeed that is troublesome, because it bypass the rights of other people to have their own religion, and be free of influence, but that is not an example of multiculturalism, why? because is one culture overriding another instead of merging with/into it, int his case they are developing an invasion, forcing themselves upon others, without revising the pros and cons of their own views, in a proper multiculturalism both cultures are studied under an objective perspective of what is seem as a common workable goal (that perspective could be wrong, the criteria is that it must be generally approved by the specialized group making the study, and you must say why not approved by the general public opinion? well, because like Pierre Bourdieu said, "The Public opinion does not exist")

Gotcha.

The way I see it globalism can exist simultaneously with a more traditional nationally-limited world. We can live in respective countries and groups, where we all feel at home, and we can engage with people of other cultures temporarily; through tourism, but even more so through communication via things like the net, without any cultural restrictions; without needing to blend for that matter.

Anyone who moves from Hawaii must be crazy... positive patriotism right there. ;)

The thing is: Christianity used to be (and to a large extent still is) part of our culture. It's what our laws are based on, our moral, our morale... so many aspects of who make us who we are and made the country look as it does. A lot of holidays are based on the religion, a lot of historical landmarks; buildings and even matters of speech and common phrases. We held our school closings in church not more than a few years ago, and it was a pretty pompous experience, but now people want a more neutral environment. I'm not religious myself; I'm all for freedom of religion, but there is a thin line between religion and culture, and some groups of people (read: people from different societies/cultures) take one thing for granted that other people consider an unright to their own belief. These are the kind of problems I believe multiculturalism can create, and does. I guess positive multiculturalism could be grouped in with positive patriotism and communism eh? Same potential for good... but also so very easy to abuse.

More Results