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No cake? :3
I should've baked a cake!! Knew I was forgetting something...
Cheers!!! :>
Cheers and tables! :D
Lol, happy 10th Cyberdevil! :D
Thanks again! :)
Happy 10th! :D oh yeah I almost forgot. You have got to be one of the nicest people I have met on this site.
Thanks; thanks! I try. :)
Haha that's awesome! No one ever made me fan art :P
I think this might be the first time someone made something for me without me asking for it, tis a special moment. :) Your time will come!
It said that there is a current debate about them crying tears, for example dogs cry, but not with tears they whimper. Tears as a form of expression and all that jazz.
Ah! Interesting.
Also cool looking banner/poster/logo/forum firm, damn it can be lots of things.
Yeah, it's like a promo poster in banner form with built in logo. :P
Yo man this is a fresh one straight out of the oven: http://www.newswise.com/articles/what-makes-memories-last
Is a study that points out on the nature of the formation in long term memories, (which again are chemical process not really energetic), the study shows how Prions http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prion may have a crucial role in the management of memories by affecting the formation of protein to facilitate the storage in neurons (this also means that we may have one rare specimen of Prion a benign Prion!).
I found it quite interesting because the article shows a behavior quite apart from that of a RAM, we could say that, sure some argue that the brain may be a computer, but a bio machine still behaves quite differently enough to not really resemble a computer at all, and this supports that notion.
The article is not really that long, and it shows a really interesting point, i think they may be really getting close to something there, sure is an initial research but is solid enough.
Also i made a mistake (in my other message), the information is transmitted from neuron to neuron as protein, not as energy, sure you could say, that protein is transformed in energy, but that is not true for all protein, since they have a wide field of action and purposes.
Nice. I just read the whole article, but it looks like you summed up all the important points below. I don't really get what a Prion is haha, but that's a minor detail... interesting reading indeed. I'm probably missing out on some key points (like do they really mention it's different from disposable RAM storage, isn't the article detailing the random potential for long-term memory, and not how that memory would be affected if the system shuts off?), but the fact that the process happens at random catches my attention the most, or supposedly at random... but there must be some kind of technique involved in creating a lasting memory.
Proteins, got it. Food for thought. :P
Also ch-che-check this out: https://vimeo.com/85228844
Che-che-checked it out! Awesome mix, though I was expecting some revelations on what's actually allowed or not. :D Recognized a lot of those classics, lot of music I like!
prions aren't bad. as a short, loose definition, prion just means a protein that is resistant to being cut. everyone has them and therefore they serve a purpose (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PrP_structure#Function), it's just when they're misfolded they become bad because they induce further deleterious misfolding of other prion proteins...and they are no longer able to carry out necessary biological functions. the folding is irreversible and unstoppable. one of the weirdest prion diseases is fatal familial insomnia, where people literally are not able to fall asleep and eventually die probably because of dementia. That's horrifying to think about.
the mechanism makes sense. in order to retain something unique over a long period of time, cut-resistant, proteins in an extremely stable confirmation are the perfect biomolecules that store the 'code' that calls for a unique connection of certain neurons across the brain, that invoke a unique memory. (the reverse of what Doomroar said, I could be wrong in my understanding/assessment though) It's not like DNA is continuously modified throughout life to store memories in our genetic code-or is it? in the form of deja-vu. It really boggles the mind [/superganhdi64]
all protein action, and truly all chemical, mechanical, or otherwise physical reactions require some kind of energy transfer, either by absorbing or emitting it.
You read my mind man! Way better than the wikipedia definition... and yeah that's pretty bizarre, a disease with no known cure either... scary. :/
lol that superganhdi64 quote.
Well we were speaking about that via PM earlier, I thought memories were stored in the form of energy (neurons maybe) and could be compared to computer RAM in that when energy is cut off to the brain all memory is purged, so that's what he was explaining below. Thanks for this added info!
i should also clarify my first paragraph to avoid providing misinformation.... I shouldn't have said "therefore they serve a purpose"-just because we have something doesn't mean it provides a purpose currently, but it does mean that such had a function at some point in ancestral species.
Ah, I take for granted most of the workings within the human body serve some purpose though, only thing I know of that doesn't is the tailbone, remnant of times past, but who knows maybe there is some reason we still have that as well. Maybe it helps balance, maybe it's a spare part to be potentially used in surgery... seems there's nothing for nothing.
Very nice tribute pic indeed! Oooh, look at the comments below. Lots of big words. "A weed is nothing more than a plant we currently haven't found a use for yet." -- some famous guy, I'm sure. My 13th anniversary is mere days away, I doubt it will be festive though..
Words of wisdom. :D Coincidentally, most weeds are plants that people used to have a use for, but which they've now forgotten in the frenzy of fast meals and manic automatic manufacturing. 13 is a... lucky number. :P
The 13ths have always been kinda lucky or atypical :) The knights templar got nothin' on me!
Friday 13 templar reference? Had to go Wikipedia that. comment. :P Yeah I like to consider 13 a lucky number specifically because nobody else does, might've started off as rebellion but now... it's a number I associate with good fortune... and a bad set of movies.
Can't go wrong with demons and cybernetic brains with chain guns!
As long as there are brains it's all OK!
Well, it depends how you look at it, regarding the semantic description of energy. On one hand energy is just a property describing an object, with an object with lots of energy being able to do work. So in this sense, energy isnt actually stuff, but then you need to stuff to do stuff, so energy has to be stuff, and thusly energy is matter (and it mathematically is such, according to Einstein's most popular law E = mc^2). so essentially memory IS stored by energy. proteins and cells (such as neurons) are made of molecules, which are made of atoms, which are made of electrons, which can be divided into even smaller subparticles, which have their own energetic charges. So there's probably a point when approaching an infinitesimally small size, where a particle divides into just "raw" energy...mostly conjecture here, and world salad aside: you are fundamentally right. Although now you know or have a clearer idea that memory is stored in actually physically observable molecules, not something so mysterious and infinitely abstract as energy :P
I actually think the brain operates a lot like a computer. At the end of this paragraph, you may agree with me that everything in life is practically the same. The prions in this case being the .swf files, and the neurons being the .swf player. Some memories are only temporarily cached, and are "deleted" once you close your browser. I put "deleted" in quotes because some would argue that you never truly lose memories, just can't retain them- while on the other hand some computer forensic scientist would attest you can never truly delete any information on your computer. Obviously both cannot be physically true, as there are size constraints that will come into play at some point. One is stored in the form of machine code, the other in nucleotide sequences. Both are optimally simple at their core but give rise to an infinitely complex and unique things from being arranged in an infinite amount of unique ways. Everything in the world can fundamentally be reduced to 1s and 0s, but there is no limit on the amount of combinations you can have regarding binary code. Numbers are infinite.
Hmm, energy traveling through energy to get to a specific area of energy. :) Makes me think of how they recently (though it was probably a while back now, it's recent to me) discovered that empty space is actually filled with particles. Not that this is relevant at all... anyway, thanks or this additionally intriguing explanation/theorization!
The brain is definitely like a computer, or a computer is like a human, the brain the processor, the neurons RAM, prions drives (does that make sense?), nerves cables, blood cooling, lungs fans, GPU eyes, mainframe body, mobo skeleton... hmm. Ah, interesting simile. As for data never being erased on a computer, if you had an HD with infinite space (as you could argue the brain has... not infinite of course, but with so much space it'd seem that way to any normal individual), then it's true nothing would ever be deleted, but with limited space new files would over-write the old ones and make them unrecoverable. Deleting files just deletes the record, much the same way I guess certain memories are harder to remember if you don't store them the right way (memorize them), but with the right software (IRL hypnosis) they can be recovered all the same.
What'd be really interesting to know is what size constraints there are in the brain. If we lived 1000 years, would the brain have enough capacity to store all our memories? Is it possible to in a regular lifetime experience so much that the brain writes over old memories; does this happen already, in modern-day? And how are different experiences stored, what takes up more space, smells, sounds, images? What algorythms does the brain use to handle each type of data? It'd be interesting to know...
Ahh, you speak of the coccyx? Most ladies say I have a huge one. Must be God's way of compensating me for giving me a small body part of similar name.
Well as you say, or at minimum implied, everything in the body can have some kind of purpose, even if it's for a non-natural biological method such as "replacement organ/limb/bone". Good thought there, although not medically practical as of now, wisdom teeth could be used for molar replacement, the appendix could be used to replace parts or as a new resection intermediate for the colon. even on a molecular level, non-coding DNA (dormant genes that had a use in ancestors) can protect the important DNA and regulate genetic processes.
there's plenty of body parts in the human that have a diminished to no know known current function: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_vestigiality
It takes time for genes to be turned off, my prediction, in a million years give or take, humans no longer have wisdom teeth. I know of several people who never grew them; I only had 3 lol!
lmao, it's actually called a coccyx!! Ah yes, the balance of nature (or potential god). I find it gets in the way a bit of doing sit-ups, this coccyx.
Bone-marrow transplantation maybe? Yeah, I have that same theory with wisdom teeth, and I was recently made aware that teeth have a habit of pushing themselves towards the front of the mouth, so without molars they just might fill the gaps. Hmm hmm, way over my head but that sounds useful.
Interesting! Didn't know most of this stuff...
I'm not so sure wisdom teeth will disappear. I myself grew all four, and still have them... and they're actually pretty handy to have even if I don't need to maul plant fibers. :) It's an overall larger surface for chewing all types of material, though admittedly they are harder to reach with a brush and one of the upper ones is a bit slanted. I was thinking of having them removed since it seemed they were pushing together my front teeth too much, but it seems they stopped, so I'm glad I didn't (which btw was because the x-ray showed it'd be a complicated procedure to remove, roots all tangled up with the other teeth and stuff). Wonder if the appendix will disappear eventually though...
"Unapplied knowledge is abstract nonsense" - Me, describing my life
sounds like S3C blurb material
"Abstract nonsense seems like poetry" - Unknown, thinking there should've been a cleverer way to formulate that...
Thanks @S3C you covered a lot of points that i didn't, yeah Prions arent bad but most of them are malicious once they unfold in the brain, however this doesn't seems to be the case with Orb2, that among other things seems to be closely linked to the formation of long term memory. Also i never really touched the subject of how Prions work so i don't know if that is the contrary or not of what i say, but you are mostly correct, and yes indeed they don't have a purpose per say.
Well you see Mr S3C i myself am not really sure of what was the approach of Cyberdevil when comparing the Brain to a RAM, as i interpreted it, i can't remember no more, only that i kinda disagree haha, it is really a long conversation that still goes on now, so we should put things into context to avoid misunderstandings, but i think you managed to tie everything up nicely.
I think i agree with you in part, while the brain can be (and it is) compared to a computer i still see it as a quite different thing apart from a normal computer, obviously since it requires for the concepts to be simplified so much, until the pint when we talk about quantum mechanics, i like your clarification we were in the right track in most of things i think, but if we weren't, then we sure are now XD, also do you know the limit of info that can be stored in the brain? that question appeared at some point, but i didn't really had a answer for it, neither do i know if there has been successful research in that field.
Wisdom teeth, those molars that are suppose to "hurt" like hell when they come out? i guess i got lucky in that aspect.
Pff nonsense! i am pretty damn sure CyberD can make one hell of a story with all this weed... i-i-i mean knowledge... knowledge.
Yeah the mix was really good, i agree it could have more of an educational, historic approach, and be a little more long, have more samples, and some info on legal uses, nevertheless it was an interesting video.
Huh, my approach still confounds and confuses? Well I must admit it confounds and confuses me too. :P This brain matter material is a topic for precision optics... I'm more at home with philosophical division dropkicks.
You didn't get any wisdom teeth? Yet? They were a bit troublesome growing up, but once they stopped growing the trouble stopped. I think a lot of people pluck them out with waiting long enough to see if they'll fit or not.
lol. If you know ledge then you won't stumble!
indeed.
spacegod105
wow, nice sprites and nice bit sprites too, i love the faces!
Cyberdevil
The legendaries collected. :D