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Cyberdevil
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But think of the colors! the quality, the laziness of the author for not working in another format! haha.

Well sure, but are you going to tell me that you didn't enjoy the The Joy of Painting with Bob!?
That was more of my idea, imagine that show but here on NG, and live! we aggregated some tens of other features, that would make this post too large, but here go on the adventure, if you dare!
http://sabtastic.newgrounds.com/news/post/852800#comments
The development of the idea is currently on hold, because we reasoned that the NG team doesn't has the time nor the resources to work on such a thing, plus the server will cost them some extra $ even if is just the beta server, we presented the idea to some people who said the were interested, but it never really got any wind.

Thinking back now, this one right here must be my longest post on a continual thought string, and it costed me my Saturday class, man that is why i stay away from internet forums i end always spending too much time.

I completely agree.

Wait @NewShape, so that is all we amount to? desensitized 4chan users? i am offended!

Back to you Mr Cyberdevil, i think that by now we have to agree that NG has changed, and some things will have to be put somewhere else. And if that is so, remember that problem about distribution between categories A and B, that is no longer an issue, because we slowly enter into a time of homogenization, i feel so damn stupid right now, i even missed class for nothing, also remember that part of ad companies taking time to understand what NG stands for? no longer a problem either! also haha oh god, this is hilarious, a whole site apart for adult content, that is way better than your idea of using filters, that has its implications, but meh fuck it, is just porn and furries, sure a pity about the tits.
His plan of allowing older users to access different content is good, but... it also goes against what we talked, oh well, this is a good moment to stop caring.

Yeah PigPen has participated on the ClapTrap's tournament, and loses with regularity, hahaha, and he also was working on a game based on a work by an author i appreciate, look here http://fkmtkrazy.blogspot.com/2013/03/restricted-rock-paper-scissors-online.html to collaborate with the FKMT community is great, people are making him look worse than he really is, and he is still talented, a shame about his game.

Haha, I'll agree with the laziness part. :) Flash is really so much more efficient at saving space. For example, if you draw an eyeball once, you can use that same eyeball for all eyeball instances for the entire movie, it'll only be stored as an instance in the library once. With an MP4 each frame is a separate image, so even repeated elements will be generating a new stamp multiple times every second... with regular movies you can't do much about it but for non-FBF animation it's such a waste! Eyeball probably wasn't the best example btw, imagine a background instead. Just a static background in thousands of frames for a few minutes of MP4 animation. It could've been a single image file... well at least the compression's better than AVI...

The Joy of Painting with Bob!? As a matter of fact... I've never watched that, so I could say I've never enjoyed that show. :P I'm sure it's great though. Must be a local thing?

Man that's not just a TON of new ART but a ton of comments... I think I've scooped up the most important parts. So it's actually a plan in progress then... would be fun if it became something, but personally I'd probably be a not very active participator. So much other stuff that'd earn me more satisfaction of actual accomplishment (be it statual, influential or other). Hope it gets off the ground though... and yeah that probably requires some server power. Did you read Bren's post about the new NG architecture btw? I know I saved the link but I can't seem to find it now... think the site was using around 4TB and the new upgrade would give it a total allotment of at least... 20? Man I haven't memorized them numbers at all... the point was: there'll be a whole lot of room for expansion! Bandwidth is of course a different matter though...

I should probably just stay away from the Internet. I spend way too much time here. :P

Yes, times are changing, and some things may have to move. At least I am glad they may not have to removed, and in the end it'll still all be available through the same platform (at least if it all goes according to the outlined plan). Yeah, no problem with advertisers, and not the same problem with categories (though showcasing the unknown is still the same situation), but as for the entire site dedicated to adult content (wonder if that'd be newgrounds.xxx btw, the domain already pointing to the adult section)... I'm wondering how the filtering system would work. Sure some submissions really are just hentai, but for some there's a rather thin line, would stuff like The Modifuckers or Rebecca go to the other site? And what about all adult art, realistic nude portraits and hentai alike? Feels like it might be a real challenge to rightly separate the content, but maybe I'm just overthinking it... will be interesting to see how they work it out. As long as it's still all accessible via NG then it sounds good, tit tidbits would still be here, just not viewable alongside everything else.

Older users? I read that as users who had been here for a specific amount of time, nothing to do with age... gotta re-read the comment later... yeah, all of this goes against the freedom of expression thing, but I've voiced my opinion so... well what more to do. Wouldn't want Tom to stop caring about the place and sell out, hopefully it'll maintain its core values to the biggest possible extent.

You don't fail until you stop trying. :) Yeah, he doesn't seem so bad. On that note, he doesn't seem so mad either, judging by recent Twitters... looks like this will all blow over soon.

@NewShape haha, i see so that is what it was, sorry then i misunderstood you.
Well i don't really go to /B/ or /v/, so no idea but yeah i guess that is what they must be doing, since they are a bunch of immature perverts seeking some shock value material.

Well the SuprSarkeesianFaceSmasher was recently re-uploaded, and it was taken down again, so i really have no idea, and the last post by Tom seems to point towards a different NG, so i don't really know if re uploads will occur, maybe what he wants is to just hide the questionable content from public view, like hiding dirt under the carpet, he already admitted that some content here embarrass him, so i really don't have too much hopes of that game making a come back, or other similar games, specially when he keeps talking about new times, and different NG.

Doesn't sound like you think very highly of 4chan users. :P I'm not there much either, though, mostly just hoarding images...

Hmm, removed by the newgrounds moderation team... looks like that's the message that shows up when admins remove content too. Just realized that both those games are indexed by search engines too, it's like the link to NG is already permanent...

But is the quality better in AVI? dun dun dun.

You don't know Bob Ross and his happy little trees with his magnificent afro!?

Indeed it is not really the storing problem, but the streaming which was giving us trouble, specially because i had this vision of 1 to 4 simultaneous streamers, plus a chat log/viewers. It was quite heavy. The finished stream will then by stored on a sub-location of the art portal, along with the finished images.

No! if it has tits it goes to the dark, kinky, shameful page, that has nothing to do with NG, because we don't want to be related to such filthy pornographic tasteless an questionable submissions, we have to conserve this pure image, so the public will like us, and the companies will play with us! family friendly NG, i can finally wear this tank logo in public, hentai? what is that? oh is eroticism? no idea either, topples? that's a big no-no, too lewd! ugh is man boobs! not even YT has that, an if is not on YT then it will not be on NG either! we probably should remove that penicorn from the store, Oh My God, how did we ever thought of selling such disgusting thing!? good radiance! filthy, FILTHY!

Hahahaha, is not funny, really i laugh just to avoid my tears.

Yeah an old user, has spend more time here... so is... an old user, different... from... a new... user...

I see so this is a republic, with a monarchy who is depended on the dictatorship of money...
Yeah he is not mad at all.

Nooope, MP4 is superior to AVI in all aspects. :) Apart from, maybe, still not being supported to all ancient devices and requiring more computer resources to process and play. Personally I prefer MKV for everything, since it's an open format and has slightly better compression, but MP4 has become the chosen format for tons of consoles and other devices so it seems is pretty much standard now... I remember back when YT was using FLV, ah the good old days...

A Bob with an afro? You wouldn't be speaking of Afro-Ninja would you? :O At least I think his name was Bob...

Yeah, all streaming activity is heavy activity... and to think there are sites dedicated to providing simultaneous streams for hundreds of users, if not more... pretty impressive hardware! Speaking of which, I wish they'd bring back the webcam section too. That was a lo... a bit of fun,

Hahahaha, yeaaaah... I can see the potential problems of this split system in a new light now. :)

Both young and old old users, I mean young users who have grown old, or old users who have grown older. K. Check. We're on the same page. :P

Money is the root of all evil.
Irony?

Yeah pretty much my image of them is that of a bunch of trolls, but i may be wrong.

Well my old, oooold, PC was able to run AVI perfectly, but it lagged when it tried to play MP4, on the other hand MKV has always worked.

No, is not Afro-Ninja, is Bob Ross, google him, i am sure you know him.

The one on the chat that linked to NG headquarters?

I know man, i myself am not that much a fan of the erotic arts, and i can already see how this can turn ugly, hahaha.

Na man, i disagree evil will still find its way without money, but sure money is one hell of an incentive to do evil.

There is anonymous... but who knows, I just browse the place for the images, I guess there are a lot of visitors who don't actually contribute yet still consider themselves a part of the community...

Oh, that's strange! MP4 and MKV should be pretty alike for performance, but I guess that depends on the size of the file and amount of compression. I've realized I can play AVI files on an external drive, but for MKV/MP4 with higher resolutions I need to move them to my internal drive to watch them without lag. USB speed doesn't cut it.

Actually never saw him before. That's a cool afro though... how did you stumble upon him?

Yeeeah, that was the best one! Users were allowed to have webcams too though, I remember Yoink and eh... NEVR and eh... BlueHippo..... well there were a few pages of users (even some female users O_o), I'm not good at remembering names...

I'm not saying I'm not a fan, it's just difficult to differentiate between traditional art and more erotic art. Like all those classic Da Vinci paintings of naked women, they'll never be considered porn. So, where do you draw the line? Glad that's not my headache though, hope they figure it out...

True that. :)

Oh Mr Cyberdevil are you confesing yourself as a member of 4chan? in that case i am sorry for the offence haha. Well u don't really know about anonymous but they go beyond just 4chan.

MKV always had better quality, and AVI was the most smooth of them all, ti worked on toasters, that is something.

I saw him on television, when i was a kid, and he is quite an international figure of the world of painting, like a cultural thing, teaching you how to paint, with a pleasing voice, a funky afro, just great, granted i was too young to even understand the concepts, and it just happens that he is also well known, indeed it is somehow weird that you don't know him, look here there is even an ERB with him http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WGN5xaQkFk0

Remembering names? i can't even remember faces! it sometimes gets awkward, but i have survived. I see so it was like chat rulete on NG? haha, na i don't think i was around when that hapen, and if i was, i missed it, i really just go from the portals to the front page, i these last years that i have stalked user-pages, and i still avoid the forums.

Well you know, that is really a problem for a certain group of art majors who will make their thesis on the defense of eroticism, and well, good luck to them, even more luck if they want the general public to understand.

Well technically you cannot be a member, but I used to be a frequent visitor at a time. No problem though, there's probably a reason why the people that there dwell are considered apathetically asocial oddities with attitude problems and abnormal perversities! :P Yeah, anonymous is all over now, but that's where it all began.

Worked on toasters? Am I missing the breadth of that pun? :/

Might have something to do with how I rarely ever watch TV... though I did watch plenty of cartoons as a kid. Haha, nice! One epic battle I'd missed. :)

Haha, I can relate to that. :D Though I don't meet so many people it gets to be a problem...

Well there was no chat (the chat's been that eternally promised feature that almost became a bit of a joke until... they made it!), it was just webcams. You could email the staff (I don't think there was PM back then) if you wanted your webcam listed, and that was it. Webcam page is still up but there's nothing there, here's the wayback version from when there were lots of users: http://web.archive.org/web/20070202023836/http://www.newgrounds.com/webcam/

Oh yeah, there was a time when it was only the office cam! http://web.archive.org/web/20080729070549/http://www.newgrounds.com/webcam/

I've been pretty much everywhere when I've been active, all the forums (though I always end up posting mostly just general and wi/ht), all the wiki pages, all the rankings... it's that obsessive side again. :P

Yeah, I guess it's a problem outside NG too... back in the day maybe what decides what to categorize an artwork as is just how famous the author is...

A reason? probably the influx of dicks and men stretching their anuses could be a good one, hahaha.

AVI is able to play on Computers with the capability equal to a toaster. (good pun by the way)

Oh no man Bob Ross is ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooold, old.
Yeah i too no longer watch TV, and things that are TV related i stream them.

Well when you forget the name and face of your teacher...

Yeah i only remember the office cam.

Well things sure changed!

Hah, yeah, good thing there are categories to filter out content you don't want to see. :P

Aha, my first thought was there might be toasters with built in video. Thanks.

Oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooook. :P Same here, though there's so much to watch online that traditional watching material falls in shadow.

XD I can see how that'd build for awkward situations!

They sure have!

Yeah but the 4chan community will have to still bear the stigma of all those, eeeh... memes...

Well i don't know this late one http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tMq3ozw7VME and i can be sure it is rivaling internet production, enough to keep the TV alive, of course i will watch it on my PC hahaha.

It does mostly for me, i don't think other people notice the fact that i can't identify them, haha.

True, just like NG will always have to bear its reputation of controversialism.

Haha, crazy... yeah TV might still be a step ahead, but then again it's much easier to find the good stuff on TV. The good stuff gets promoted there, on the Internet everyone is promoting their own content, and it's not on a per-nation basis... it's like global promotional warfare! O_o

Nobody 'say my name's' or 'who am I's in your presence? Lucky. :)

Unless Tom can Fix that with the NewNewgrounds! dun dun dun!

Well yeah the good stuff gets the deals, but also a lot of bad stuff gets promoted on TV, and that is one of the fortes of the internet, that you can choose your content.

Well no, luckily that has not happened yet, i usually manage to snick one "eeeh, sorry i forgot your name", before is too late haha.

Dun dun dun indeed (sounds like a Tom Tom)! I was thinking of the New Newgrounds though, and how it'll be difficult to make a New Newgrounds with the image of the Old Oldgrounds forever lingering on in the minds of the worldly populace. As they say: once it's online, you can't get rid of it.

Yeah, and if you're good enough at it, you can find anything here! Shame some stuff is taken away from the net specifically for TV use though, like that Xombie series back in the day.

Heh, my primary tactic in such situations is to just not use names unless absolutely necessary... hoping the name might in some way reveal itself, potentially through the involvement of another person...

Unless you censor it, then it gets taken down, haha.

Oh now that is old! but those things usually find its way back to the net.

I just noticed how we are talking equally about hings being taken out and then re-entering the net haha.

Well i prefer to wait too, but really if it goes beyond the hour i just kinda confess, it kinda happens often so is not that hard for me, the awkward part is mostly that feeling that a stranger knows you and it actually is not really an stranger, but you are still oblivious to just who that person maybe XD.

lol yeah.

Looks like it's made its way to YT, our main competitor! :/ If the TV channel can get their channel there, they should be able to have it on NG too. What a twist of fate considering it was here first! Alas the injustice of our tormentful world!

Oh, so it goes beyond just forgetting the names and faces of people? I don' think I've had that happen to me earlier, I'm just bad with names, and if I see someone in an unusual setting I won't recognize them unless they reveal themselves. Wouldn't be much good as a spy. :P How are you with memory games btw? Like: http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/622281

Is always YT, illegally and legally it gets all the uploads.

Oh it comes with grades, some times is just the name, some times is the face that changed, and sometimes i just don't remember until the explanation comes, usually like yeah it is me Jon, you know from that time, and i am aaa yeah, i usually add a "you sure have changed" if it has been long enough.

Surprisingly i am quite decent at those, is more of a long term memory thing centered around people's faces, or a really lesser version of this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prosopagnosia

Yeah, but this one's legal. That's why it's so twisted, it gets submitted here first, gets recognized and licensed, and thus removed, and then when its time has played out on TV it gets back online again... but this time it's on YT instead of NG. That's just not how it's supposed to be!

Ah, well meeting people you haven't seen in a long time is probably a different experience... don't think I've ever done that, actually. So much moving around and people I knew way back live in different countries now. Though I'd never heard of Prosopagnosia before, interesting...

Is like they forgot when was that their past took place, or maybe they just want the exposure, or maybe is that Oldgrounds stigma they want to get away and for some reason is haunting them, it probably is the 2nd one.

Is quite recently that is being taken into consideration, so it is still fairly unknown in all aspects and fields.

Maybe, though maybe the creators just don't have that much control over which platforms their content is distributed on now that they're under contract.

Ah. It's good it exists though, should be easier to just say 'I have Prosopagnosia so I don't remember faces' and people will be like 'OK, no problem! I'll let you know who I am when you see me!' :P

That series is quite old already, for an internet series i mean, those contracts can't last that much? 10 years 15 maybe? is he still getting royalties?

Yeah that way i can be safe and people don't think that i am dick haha, oh i wonder if it will be abused like what happened with OCD.

No idea, but ten years haven't passed yet! I haven't even been around for ten years yet. :P

OCD's being abused? Well I guess everything'll be abused one way or another... was thinking how view counters on newsposts would be a groovy idea, but that's way too prone too abuse... wouldn't want social interaction to become as much of an obsessive aspect as it is on FB with all those Like buttons...

Well still is quite a long contract.

Well you know how there was a time when everyone was trying to pass himself as someone with OCD to appear more responsible, and less of dicks obsessed with control, mostly women, that if i say so myself on a personal note, may be more of neurotic than OCDish... and lets not talk of what happen with ADHD...

Yeah, I wonder what the standard is...

ADHD I know about! But I've actually never heard of anyone claiming they had OCD... not even online. I remember the crazily time-consuming medal game OCD+ but that's pretty much it.

EDIT: Btw, just listening to an Eminem track and I realize he's actually speaking about OCD on his track... maybe I have heard these references without really paying any mind to them. O_o

Hahaha, you know OCD makes people sometimes look like they are serious organised, and it gives them an excuse to act like assholes! is perfect for people who like to boss others around XD.

Heh, yeah, anybody can use a disease as an excuse if it's socially accepted. :) Reading up on the definition it seems like something anybody could have though. Wonder where the line goes between regular anxiety and this, stuff like hypochondria could be classed as OCD, and pretty much any form of phobia that causes anxiety... or depression... hmm...

Yeah and since it can be so ambiguous, doctors can also use it to issue overmedication, is all on the pharmaceutic business.

True, they're getting a kick out of profit off of all modern diseases. Like depression... for most people it's nothing more than a mindset. A regular dose of morning laughter doesn't have the same side effects as a hill of pills, I mean - it has no side effects. :/ Deviences from the sublime pattern of social behavior are becoming diseases...

Well they tried to get away with this:
http://realpsycho.tumblr.com/post/68804574764/follow-realpsycho-tumblr-com-for-more-mental#note-container
And luckily they failed, these are some old news, but the fact that they tried to pass a 2 months long bereavement as a sing for depression is crazy.

Well it could be a sign of depression, but using any signs to suggest depression is crazy, mood swings are part of being human. What's really a sickness, what's just a thought?

Well if your family dies you get sad, and by 2 months you haven't recovered, then eat some pills!

Crazy i tell you, i guess sickness is when some behavior gets in your daily life and starts making it harder, but come on, they were getting more desperate than usual with that one, of course the sadness of grief will make life harder, but that doesn't means the person is sick, yet again they pass it to 2 years, some people argue that it is still too soon, other that 2 years is plenty for someone to recover, i say they should at least search for a drug free alternative, drugs are after all an aid to help with therapy not the answer itself.

Yeah, it's not how it should be. I guess they'd give you pills no matter how long it's been, though, medication is the only official remedy for depression that I know they know of. :/

Like if someone you live with starts annoying you and makes you irritated? Or if you lose interest in the world and become apathetic? Or if you go to sleep later and later and find it harder to sleep earlier? Some things would be better solved without medicine.. as I see it, sickness is something that attacks the body, like a fever, the plague, rabies. Agree completely, drugs are an aid; therapy should be the answer for anything mental. Doesn't have to be going to a psychologist either, there are plenty of ways to change behavioral patterns to change an outlook on life, ex.

Yeah but medication doesn't comes alone, what some people do is to just lump the drugs alone.

Indeed, a lot of things can help as therapy, the person doesn't really needs to go to a psychologist or psychiatrist, or counselor, etc. there are plenty of ways to ease the mind.

Well, when i say it makes your life harder, is that you yourself can not bear it, and it becomes an inconvenience, in that case you are sick, but there are other types of sickness too, which are more hard to address because even after the life quality of the person is deteriorating, for example its very physical health is starting to be neglected, his environment is starting to go into ruins, and his relations with others are breaking down, and yet the person feels fine, even compelled to continue with its current behavior, in that case we also say that the person is sick, even if this one insist that it is fine, the most common case of this is the senility of elderly people.

Yeah the other examples, of getting less and less sleep, being apathetic, or having someone annoying in our lives, they do make life harder, but they are not really problems in us, but caused by others, by our environment, they are things that not even drugs can fix, if someone is an asshole to us no matter how much we drug ourselves, we will be still irritated. And example of being irritated and this being our fault, is when it happens even in cases when is unreasonable to be irritated, and then this starts hampering our lives, then we have a problem, and this could be a sickness, or not, the responsible thing would be to make an study and know why is that such a behavior is happening, but no, instead they choose to send drugs based on general procedures.

Yeah, that's the way it works around here too. I thought our healthcare was way worse than the rest of the worlds though, a practical approach rather than a personal one, for everything. Unless it's a physical injury they have prescriptions to solve all problems. :/ They're good at handling broken bones, not broken homes or folks alone.

Well sickness is hard to define. I guess a better way to say it would be: that if you are depressed because you're not getting enough D-Vitamin, maybe due to lack of sleep (which burns D-Vitamin at a quicker pace), then you're sick. If you're just depressed because you read too much bad news and start losing hope in the world, the problem lies with your mindset rather than the body's functionality. Well true they're both sicknesses, physical vs mental, but they should be treated differently, when even psychological conditions start getting grouped as regular diseased than people are going to get the wrong treatment...

Indeed.

Yeah i agree, the challenge is to divide the line between melancholy and depression.
Also known as the right to be sad.

Ah, melancholy, that might be the word. Right.

Yeah that's the secret.

Judging by the pill hills, too secret. :P

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